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The Lazy Genuis Way by Kendra Adachi is a book that echoes my own heart for women struggling to manage the tasks of home management. The following post originally appeared on January 19, 20201 on Life Over Lunch, a blog where I wrote with my sister, Rebekah. This book is a foundation piece that can help move you from stuck and overwhelmed to confident and free.

The Lazy Genuis Way: Embrace What Matters, Ditch What Doesn’t, and Get Stuff Done by Kendra Adachi

How did we feel about this book? Penny found herself constantly saying “Brilliant!” and Rebekah has already loaned out her copy!

Penny: Did you have any questions for me to start our conversation?

Bekah: Well I thought the organic approach would be to talk about how you heard about the book, how I heard about the book and what made you think it would be a good “together” read.

P: That’s exactly what my question was! You’re so smart!

B: Well you go first because you’re the one that suggested that we read it together.

P: So I like to listen to the Graceologie with Gwen Smith podcast (she interviews authors like a lot of podcast people do) and she was interviewing Kendra Adachi about this book. It just sounded like a completely different book than anything I’ve ever heard of before, and as I listened to her talk she seemed to share our blog’s vision – for people to figure out the best way to be themselves – not by copying someone, else but by finding the things that speak to them and being better at those things. So that’s what got me excited about this book. How about you?

B: Obviously when a book comes out all the podcasters will be jumping on it at the same time as part of the promo process so I heard about it through the BibleBinge Podcast which I started listening to this year.

P: Oh I love BibleBinge too!

B: Well I mention it in my post about my podcasts of the year. So, I had heard Erin Moon on a previous podcast give a very bold statement about self-help books that stuck with me, so I wrote the quote down and I hope I’m quoting it correctly.

P: And is this Erin that said it?

B: This is Erin Moon. She said this. “Self help is an inherently non-Christian doctrine. The entire point of Christianity is that we literally cannot help ourselves.”  

P: *laughs* Yeah, that’s awesome!

B: And so when she was doing the ad for “The Lazy Genius Way”, part of the scripted promo for this book was that it was basically a self-help book for people who hate self-help books, so I was like “If Erin Moon is having these words come out of her mouth then she’s probably not just reading a script for a paid promo without giving it any thought.” That made it jump out to me.  I had thought casually that it would be an interesting read, but I hadn’t really given it serious thought to buy or read until you suggested it. So I was like “Yep! We’re doin’ it.”

P: Yeah, well that’s an interesting thought about self-help books. Interesting. Yeah. I’ll have to think about that one more.

B: Exactly yeah. It’s a thinker.

P: Yeah. I think we can help ourselves by being more in tune with the Lord, and His Help that He provides for us.

B: Well yeah,. And the context in which she said it originally was kind of commenting on the oversized nature of the self-help book section in your book store and how people are just grasping at anything.

P: Yeah. This really is a self-help book, but it’s juxtaposed to other self-help books because it’s more like a guide for making your own path you know. So I really appreciate that.

B: Agree.

P: Well I don’t necessarily want to talk about every single one of these principles. There’s a lot of them..

B: I feel like I could talk for literally hours…

P: I just wanna say a couple of things before we get too far into the meat of this book and what we thought of it. The Lazy Genius Way is just how she (Kendra Adachi) had discovered that a lot of times we come into things and we either try be a Genius and perfect and have really high standards and be all in on a project or an idea, or we see it as overwhelming and so we just give up on it completely and just don’t even try. And I so like seeing some of her stories about how she was all in and then that didn’t work so she was just like, “Ok, I’m just gonna forget about it and be Lazy!” Neither one of those is really how to live a full life of what you were designed to do and be.

B: So either burn out or bottom out. Either way.

P: Yeah, right. And so the whole idea of the Lazy Genius Way as I see it, is to figure out the things that are important to you — not the things that are important to other people or what you perceive is what is expected of you — but what really, truly matters to you; and to be lazy about the things that don’t matter to you so that you can be Genius about the things that do matter to you.

B: Mm hmm..I was curious, do you feel like you tend to err on the side of Lazy or Genius; or how do you identify when you’re reading that?

P: I guess I don’t know that I fully identify one way or another way. I think I’m old enough *laugh* that I have found my balance between the two. You know what I mean?

B: That’s a goal. Good!

P: And I would say sometimes I want things to be a certain way. And she talks about this too, like being in control is not a good motive! But sometimes because I want things to be predictable and the way I want them and I want to be in control, then I can get into the Genius; and you know it’s the Genius in the negative form when it has to be perfect and run over people to get there. And where I tend to be Lazy is in a relationship when I feel like I’m rejected. Then I will just give up.

B: Take the safe road out.

P: Yeah. So those would be my Lazy/Genius tendencies, not the balance in between.  You want the Lazy/Genius balance, but to be one extreme or the other is not good. Anyway, did you have an answer for that?

B: Uh well. I haven’t perfected my life yet. I have definitely seen myself swing wildly between the two; where I can focus really hard on some things, but not necessarily something that is actually important to me, and then be completely Lazy about anything that’s hard. Cuz if you don’t try hard at something then you can’t be bad at it, so you’re off the hook.

P: Hmmm… I feel like this book addresses the problem that is often there for me with resolutions. Because New Year’s resolutions are a perfect example of “ok it’s a brand new year. I’m gonna be a genius about _______ (usually it’s health and exercise). I should do this!”

B: It’s about what I “should be” instead of what’s important to me.

P: Yeah. “I’m gonna be going to the gym every ____.” you know. So your ideal is too high. You aren’t following the steps that she lays out. So even if that is the goal, you’re not doing it according to the steps in here, like Starting Small and Living In your Season and Doing Things In The Right Order. You know? You’re kind of missing some of those elements that would help you be successful. And when it gets too hard then it’s easy to give up.

B: Well yeah. Cuz at that point you realize “this isn’t actually important to me.”  I mean, it can be adjacent to something that’s important, but if you lose sight of why it’s important then you completely lose the whole purpose around it and it falls flat.

P: Even things that are important though, you can give up on because you’re trying to do them all or nothing.

B: Yeah.

P: And you can’t just live like that cuz there are other parts of your life that also need attention.

B: Exactly

P: So it’s not that you won’t have goals, it’s that this book gives you better steps on how to be mentally prepared to actually achieve the things you want to achieve.

B: Right. And to keep the goal in front of you instead of losing the forest for the trees…

P: Yes!

B: Or just feeling like you can’t approach any of it…

P: And naming what really matters rather than something that might sound good. Like “I want to fit into my swimming suit by April.”…

B: Right!

P: As opposed to “I want to feel better about my body.” Or “I want to be healthy.” Having goals that are more achievable.

B: Well, and I think part of that can be sort of because you want something that’s quantifiable. So, fitting into a certain bathing suit size by a certain date? That is perfect corporate goal setting. And so if you work in an office where that’s the mindset then that seems like it’s the right way to go about it; but when you’re talking about a life lived well, the purpose behind those goals is really what matters. You wanna be healthy. Well, why? You wanna be there for your kids. You wanna be healthy to enjoy your children ..

P: Right, because you don’t want your life fulfillment to be that you fit into a bathing suit in 3 months. That’s not the thing that’s gonna mean something to you when you’re on your deathbed.

B: Or mean something to literally anyone else in your life. Right?

P: There are a lot of good quotes in here. I love how she starts off with her stuffed French toast story. It’s hilarious, but I’m not gonna spoil it for people who might read this book later.

B: Just know that there’s a wrong way to make stuffed French toast!

P: Yes! But another thing I think is brilliant about this book is she’s also built in how to read this book in a Lazy or a Genius sort of way! She has her 13 different principles, but then at the end of each chapter she has a recap of the principle and a step you can take toward living that principle. And she even gives you written permission to read the book like this. If you’re too busy to read this book, you can just go to the recap and start there and go back and read the details later, which I just think is brilliant in itself! You can read the Lazy way and get the points and start trying to implement them yourself, or you can read the chapter and see all her insights and funny stories and good suggestions as well.

B: And if you’re using it as a recap and going back to it, it’s a good reminder like “oh yeah…keep that in mind”

P: I wanna reiterate again it’s not like a normal book where it’s like, “Ok, this is your method for keeping your house clean. You need to do these steps.” It’s more like “Figure out what parts are important to you about your house.”

B: Right. It’s like here’s how to ask yourself the right questions so you can answer in a way that’s meaningful for you.

P: And I like this quote at the beginning “You can be real when your life is in order and when it’s falling apart. Life is beautifully both.” And so, it’s not a call to be a neat freak, and it’s not a “Oh the real people don’t care about being neat.” It’s like live where you are and accept who you are and don’t compare yourself to other people and don’t judge other people. So I appreciate that.

B: Yeah. And acknowledge that for some people, one thing will seem really important and that’s not a reason to judge yourself and think that therefore this is important and I should think it’s important; but it’s totally ok that there’s something they could think is totally important that you couldn’t care less about. Be Kind To Yourself in another one of the principles.

P: Right.

B: And that it’s ok if you have certain standards that you set for yourself that are important to you and someone else lives their life completely differently. 

P: And she has a really good quote that I thought encapsulated that thought perfectly. This is on page 109.  It says “Don’t get tricked by the wrong purpose. Remember, as a Lazy Genius, you’re allowed to care about what matters to you. If a tidy house matters, tidy away. If a clean house makes you happy, spray your eucalyptus cleaner with gusto. But don’t get tricked. Clean doesn’t make you better, and messy doesn’t make you more real. You’re allowed to like order, to clean your house before people come over, and to limit what comes into your home because clutter negatively affects your inner life. You’re also allowed to live in disorder, to invite friends into your mess, and to have more than you need. Most of us swing both ways at times. As you practice this principle of putting everything in its place, you’ll likely experience joy as a result. A tidy house feels good. Closets that aren’t overflowing are a pleasure to open. Being able to see what you have is gratifying. But none of this has anything to do with your value as a person. Don’t forget that. Your house might be a reflection of your personality, but the state of it is not a reflection of your value.” Yeah, that’s from the Put Everything In Its Place chapter which is one of the guidelines that she has. Cuz that’s an easy thing to see how we can say, “Oh, ‘put everything in its place’. That means I need to be a neat freak and throw away all my things.”  But no, that’s not what it means. You need to have whatever you wanna have and make your life easier by having a place for it so that it doesn’t distract you from the things that are important to you; because things that we have to think about a lot — like if you keep moving something from here to here, wondering where it goes — that’s taking your energy away from maybe your family, or just it eats up energy…

B: Yeah. Whatever it is that is important to you…

P: Yeah. She’s got those little helps for us to keep our lives on track so we can be lazy about the right things.

B: I was gonna say that I think that this could be a helpful way to clarify for children as well.  And I don’t have kids, so this issue doesn’t come up, but remembering when I was a child and trying to understand why there are certain house rules in my house, but these house rules are not established in other peoples’ houses. So, just because of the way that I think — and I know that other children definitely think this way too — my assumption was that our way was the right way, cuz my parents say that’s the right way, and others are doing it wrong. And I’ve heard this from parents who are like, “Oh, how do I express to my kids that we don’t leave the house with a dish undone, but when we go and visit so-and-so’s house she doesn’t need to clean her friend’s room before we leave.”…

P: Yeah…

B: And it doesn’t reflect poorly on their family by any means. And the adults understand this, but the kids have a harder time, I think. I think the way she puts it into words could be helpful if parents are trying to find a way to help their children understand, “This is how we do things. This is what matters to us and we’re gonna maintain some sanity.”

P: Yeah, cuz it’ll be different things that stress out different people. So let’s make a rule to keep us from getting to that stress level. She talks about how to stop the first domino from falling, in a sense, but if you want to order your evening, you don’t want whatever will set you off so that your evening is ruined, you don’t want to push over that first domino.

B: And how to prepare for it, knowing that the stressors are going to happen.

P: Right. Right. 

B: Well I know I mentioned this to you in a previous conversation, but I was getting some serious Enneagram 1 vibes from her. 

P: Yeah, you were saying that!

B: There was definitely a kindred spirit vibe going on. She says in the very first chapter, “I remember thinking ‘I can do better than this.’”  And I’m like “Mm hmm!… that sounds like an Enneagram 1.” And then later on the same page, she’s like “As a self-righteous perfectionist..” So yes, that’s confirmed! Confirmed. Then later on in the same chapter she says “Or the voice in your head saying that you’re not enough.” I’m like yep! Uh-huh! Understand. Got it!

P: That’s all Enneagram 1, huh?

B: Very, very strong, yeah. Before I started reading the book you said you were thinking of different ways to implement her ideas. Are there some ideas you want to try or have already started implementing that work for you?

P: Yeah, well I guess I think it’s really key to Start Small. That’s her second step. 

B: Wasn’t she saying in the first chapter about accomplishing one downward facing dog a day or something like that?

P: Yeah.

B: Legit starting small, because you can say you’ve accomplished that. Good job.

P: Well, and she inspired me to work on my storage room. Because I knew Christmas was coming, and I had things all over the table that I wanted to use for wrapping presents; and so I’m like “You know what? I’m just gonna be in my storage room for five minutes a day. I’m just gonna be in there.”

B: That sounds so doable.

P: Yes, exactly! That’s way more doable than “I’m going to clean out this and this, and get this table cleaned off, and take all these things to the consignment store.” And those were all things that were part of it, but I was like, “Okay. Just five minutes a day. Just be in that room.” Cuz it’s my storage room. I don’t usually walk in there, so that’s why it gets forgotten. So, thanks to her, I was able to clear off the table, get out my Christmas ornaments, put the Christmas ornaments back and set the table for wrapping. That’s all thanks to her inspiration.

B: Very nice. Very nice

P: Did you do anything? Anything you tried to apply.

B: Yeah. I would say as far as stuff I’ve already implemented, this kind of developed sort of alongside my issue with lists. I mean I’m already a super list-driven person — I got that from our mom — but I’ve always known that my approach is not perfect. You’ve heard of the A B C list. A is the must do. B is the I’d like to do. C is it can wait. It’s stuff like that. I’ve tried a variety of different ways to organize my list, and it all works for a while, and I wouldn’t say it falls apart, but it’s like “Ok… I’m missing something”. Also things that are genuinely important to me can become like chores because they’re just part of a list; and so the enjoyment and motivation to take part in them completely gets wiped away, because “I HAVE to do these other things that I don’t like.” So one thing that has been helping me lately is the way I organize my to-do list. Before I write anything down I ask myself “What is the most important thing about today?” And it could be a task. It could be an event. It could be a feeling I want the day to have. Like, sometimes on a Saturday, the most important thing is to relax. So that kind of goes in parallel with her concept of asking where your stressors are, or what is the thing that’s coming up that you need to prepare for. That kind of answers the question for me. What is it about today that I need to prepare for? So like today, one of the important things about today is this talk. So what can I do today that will make me prepared, but also make me feel very present when it happens. I’m not leaving other things that I’m gonna stress about until after the call because then I’ll be distracted by other things during the call. So it kind of puts the rest of the to-do list into perspective. And so the things that should happen first sort of fall into place in an order that makes sense for today. And it could be a completely different order tomorrow. And some things may not be important at all today, but they’re super important tomorrow, and that’s fine. I have done a lot fewer things and felt way more productive each day.

P: Yeah. And I remember when you’ve talked about that before, it was not something that I related to at all…

B: As far as?

P: Being stressed out about your list. Having the to-do-ness of it take away from the joy of it. And it kind of has to do with being present. I kind of feel like that’s important for me. Which is one of her things too, to be present or Live In The Season. But yesterday I did find myself doing a little bit of what you were talking about with my long list of things to do. It’s like,”Ok I wanna get all of these things accomplished so the rest of my week will get smoother. But I paused and I was like: But these things are fun, and I’m going to enjoy them and you know, I’m gonna live in each thing as I’m experiencing it rather than rushing through it to get to the next thing.” That attitude happens very easily around Christmas, and then Christmas is gone and we’ve missed out on the joy of it. And I also found it very interesting how she was having us think about Scheduling Rest. And it didn’t just mean taking a nap. It means finding the things that help you to feel like you.

B: And that’s a hard one!

P: Yeah, and so I did try to sit down and make a little bit of a list. It’s easy to think that those things are not as important on our to-do list, but they really are things that help us! If they’re things that help us to be who we are then those are important things.

B: Right.

P: And a great example of how we are not all the same is that on my list of things that refuel me, recharge me, and make me feel like I’m me is being with kids; which I know for a fact is sometimes the opposite of other people! Like, that drains some other people. For me that fuels me. So yeah. We’re not all wired the same, and that’s ok.

B: So don’t try to be the same. I think the other thing that I would like to try is the Swap Night. Do you remember her talking about that?

P: Oh I thought that was a brilliant idea!

B: And I don’t have kids, so for us it’s not a matter of… I should explain. So, the concept was that her family has young kids, and their mutual friends also have young kids; and so scheduling evenings can be complicated because bedtime is not the same for kids and for adults. So the idea was they’ll have Swap Nights where the two moms will be at one house and the two dads will be at the other house, so the kids stay at their own homes and go to sleep in their own beds at their own times, and the adults are at both places and hang out and enjoy each other’s company.

P: And nobody had to get a babysitter. It’s so brilliant!

B: And nobody has to deal with crazy kids in the morning. And this has kind of been one of the reasons why we haven’t had a lot of close relationships with parents of young kids is because I think there’s an expectation on both sides that they’ll be too tired to have fun.” Or they have responsibilities that are different and timeframes that are different. But you can schedule it so the ladies are at the house and the kids are going to bed and we’re just doing something, and the guys can go out even. You don’t have to swap houses cuz there’s no kid staying at my house. Guys have a night out and next time we get together we switch and the ladies have the night out, and the guys stay at home with the kids and play video games or whatever.

P: I wish I had known about that when my kids were little.

B: Right? Like how is that not a more common idea.

P: I know! Never heard of it before. Brilliant!

B: It’s so Genius and so Lazy at the same time. Perfect!

P: Exactly! 

B: It’s a great example. That’s what we want.

P: I have to say that because she has different values than I do, one of the things that kind of made me laugh was one of her ideas in the Batch It chapter. Which makes sense, but for her, cutting up vegetables and stuff is a chore, and so she’ll batch cutting up vegetables — like if you’re cutting up carrots and you know there’s another meal that’s gonna need carrots cut up — just go ahead and cut up all the carrots. But onions..she was cutting up onions! And I tried that. I read it and I was like, that’s not gonna work. And I actually tried it, and I cannot do that, cuz my whole refrigerator smells like onions. And I have never had success with doing anything with storing up cut onions. I don’t know. Is there a trick to storing cut onions that I do not know about, because it just smells up the house.

B: Well, I’ve never used the onion saver containers that you can buy specifically for them.

P: I have one, and if I don’t use a whole onion, I store it in there and that’s great.

B: We use Pyrex, so tight fitting lids, but also glass, so it’s not gonna stink through glass. It seems to work pretty well

P: Hmm.

B: Plus I always put them in the crisper bins

P: I wonder if I can use canning jars

B: Oh, that could work! Run it through the dishwasher afterwards.

P: But it’s not highly important to me, so I’m not gonna probably do that.

B: Exactly! Yeah, some of the things she was talking about batching I thought that’s more Genius than I’m ready for. This does not bother me enough. 

P: And I just value freshly prepared food. 

B: That chapter to me too was like “Oh this is way more than I had in mind!” but I was trying to think of ways that I would batch things. And so, the meal planning. I do that, and I don’t think of it as me batching meal planning, but it’s what I do.  So I’ll plan for the whole week based on our needs and I know I think you have done that in the past, but you’re more likely to be in the mood for something and then run to the store cuz you want that, right?

P: Yeah. Because I like food

B: Food to go with your mood?

P: Yeah. But I did think another brilliant thing in her Batch It chapter was the Valentine’s cards.

B: Mm hmm

P: I’m saying you gotta read the book. If you have kids, Batch It makes more sense.

B: Yes. 

P: There are some really good things in that chapter for moms. But yeah, Bekah. I think some of these principles were taught to you and me…

B: Yeah.

P: And I have a lot of friends that unfortunately want to compare..

B: Well yeah, we are programmed to do so.

P: Yeah. And they’ll look at the things in my life that are different than their life and think “Wow she’s got it all together,” not realizing they’ve got things in their life that I also wish I had. Things I also wish I was like. But one example is that I seem to have a flow, and I seem to be on time, and I don’t seem to be stressed out about things, and I feel like this book is very good for somebody who feels like they are lost about how to manage a household or how to be less stressed. And at the same time it’s not just for women. I look at this and I’m like “oh man I wanna talk about these principles with Eli, my son, who’s getting ready to look for a job but who’s spending an awful lot of time doing things that don’t really get him there!” But I’d say some of the things that were already part of the way I naturally thought, were Starting Small, yes, but it encouraged me to do that even more so cuz her steps were really small..

B: Yes. I like that permission…

P: Asking The Magic Question: “What can I do now to make life easier later” that was like our lifestyle, at least it was for me when I was growing up in our house.

B: I was able to recognize it, but I haven’t been doing it.

P: Ah. Yeah, that was totally our mom’s principle.

B: Right. The way Kendra’s able to put it in context that because certain things matter to you, it just kind of frees up the whole concept I think.

P: Yeah. I think I was good at Building The Right Routine and House Rules and Everything In Its Place, but I wasn’t good at Essentializing or Living In The Season. I’m learning to Be Kind To Myself, but I feel like that’s so important. I’m really good at Scheduling Rest *laugh* cuz I’m good at scheduling!

B: I’m too good at Being Kind To Myself. I celebrate way too much. I celebrate literally every little thing. Not with other people though. I’ve always struggled with Letting Other People In. Not necessarily emotionally but physically, literally.

P: Yeah, I forgot about that part!

B: So, I laughed so hard. Before I read the chapter, I wrote in my notes “Deep breaths for this one” and then she’s talking about “embracing what matters in friendship, things like honesty, vulnerability and growing closer through conflict”, and then before she puts out her first substep, she says “Let’s doggy-paddle first” and then the header right after than says “Let People Into Your Home.”  And I’m like “This is NOT doggy-paddling!” There is nothing doggy-paddle about inviting people over to your home!

P: Awww. Well, she does baby step it, and she gives you ideas for how to do that!

B: Exactly, but I just thought it was hilarious cuz I’m already stressed about this one.

P: I feel like that’s one our parents did well too.

B: Mm hm.

P: And that came from their grandparents before them. I don’t know if you know this, but Dad’s grandpa, he had sayings like “While there’s any, there’s lots.” That came from Great Grandpa Trotter, and they always had people that were staying with them. Our grandma, I think she was working as a teacher and she was staying there, and that’s how she and Grandpa met, because she was rooming there. And they had some other friends that were living there. There was an uncle that was living in that house at one time. So they were always just very welcoming. You know Mom always wanted the house clean, but I don’t feel like she always wanted the house clean to show other people. She just likes it really clean.

B: Yeah. That’s something that’s important to her.

P: Yeah, and I told her that! The other day I was talking to her. I think I said that she liked cleaning, and she said, “No. I don’t like cleaning.” And I was like “Mm, I think maybe she should read this book.” Cuz if she doesn’t like cleaning she sure does an awful lot of it!

B: There’s something about it that’s important to her. Maybe not the physical act of cleaning. If I didn’t mention at the top of the call, I finished reading the book two weeks ago and already gave it away. So, if that’s any sort of indication of how I felt about it, I don’t give books away. I don’t read books and think “So-and-so should really read this.”  It’s not usually where my mind goes.

P: Yeah, and I’ve definitely talked about it with people. It comes up in conversation cuz it’s so pertinent to the conversations that I have with people! And I think if you are trying to make changes in your life for the New Year or if you just gave up on all your New Year’s resolutions, either way this is a good book for you too!

B: I wanted to say too, the whole first step to any of this is learning to recognize what matters to you. So for some people, that might be really complicated.  Emily P. Freeman writes the forward on this book and the two of them are really good friends. And she (Emily P. Freeman) has a podcast called The Next Right Thing; and I was actually listening to an episode of it before I started reading the book. She has an episode  where she goes through some steps for identifying things that are concerning to you and how to categorize those concerns. So, you can kind of pray over those things and ask God if He’s showing you anything specific about those. So, just the practice of taking the time to ask yourself “What am I concerned about? What are some themes that I’m seeing in this huge list of concerns? What are the things that are speaking out of this list?” So, I kind of thought you could take a similar approach with this book. If you’re trying to figure out what matters to you and what’s important to you, take some time away and make a list, without judging the list while writing it down. Just fill a page of things that you enjoy or things that frighten you. You know, things that stand out. Then kind of step back and look at it and see what some of those themes are in what you’ve written down. It can kind of help you see what’s important.  So you’re not stuck thinking “What’s important to me is trying to fit into my bathing suit.” You can see what’s the deeper thing that REALLY matters to you. Cuz that’s probably not it.

P: Because those little things can just have us running around in circles and not accomplishing the things that are important. The lesser goals are what I’m talking about. Or the goals that are put on us by other people. Or the goals that we assume, that aren’t really ours. Or the wrong goals for the wrong motives. And she’s so good at keeping you on track with that stuff. And it sounds like that other podcast would be good too.

B: Yep.

P: Well I think we’ve probably wrapped it up. We’ll let our readers figure out what all 13 steps are. You’ve gotta read the book to find out.

B: Cuz I guarantee you we didn’t list them in order.

P: No, we didn’t!

B: Cuz we like to bounce around…

P: Yeah, you might not have caught them all. Anyway, I liked the book. You liked the book?

B: Yeah.

P: You recommended it to people?

B: Yep. Can recommend. And it’s not super long.. It’s not daunting.

P: And she’s so funny! She has such funny stories. And she lets you laugh at her, so it’s great.

B: This is true

P: Laugh with her, maybe?

B: Laugh at/with.

The Next Right Thing – Episode 151: 3 steps to Restart Your Life-Giving Rhythms

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